Canada election 2025: English language leaders' debate

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(06:58) 8 minutes 1 minute break a leg everybody Canada in Montreal four federal leaders meet sing they will debate the major challenges facing our country from tariffs to the cost of living public safety energy and leading in a crisis

(08:03) good evening everybody i'm Steve Pagan your moderator for tonight's debate each leader has agreed to the following no notes answer the questions stay on theme stay on time how much each leader speaks will be counted on these clocks visible to the leaders and to you at home this is the 2025 Federal Leaders Debate [Music] well welcome leaders good to be with you here tonight in Montreal for what I'm sure will be a memorable evening our first theme is tariffs and threats to Canada and we will begin with a round of

(08:41) questions you will each have a minute to answer and then we'll go to open debate and the first question goes to Mr carney okay what is the starting point for negotiations Mr carney with the United States if as you have stated our relationship with the US is over as we know it uh well first Steve uh may I thank you and also thank uh fellow leaders for their service to Canada uh people at home for taking the time to watch um I just want to underscore the premise to your question because I think the relationship that we've had with the

(09:13) United States relationship over the course of almost the last four decades which has been one of steady and increasing integration has fundamentally changed because the president is looking to fundamentally uh restructure the trading system so the starting point has to be one of strength it has to uh show that we have control of our own economic destiny has to have a clear plan here at home uh to build this economy to diversify our trading partners with like-minded countries and also has to have a position of strength in terms of

(09:45) our reaction to the US unjustified tariffs and that's why we have put in place counter tariffs that have maximum impact in the United States and minimum impact here at home mr polyv would you do anything differently well first of all thank you Steve and thank you to uh our fellow uh contestants here today it's an honor to be here what would I do different well I'll start by what I would do the same i think we do need to counter the American tariffs with our own to deter this economic aggression we must make clear

(10:18) that we will always be sovereign and independent what would I be doing differently well we need to be in a position of strength the Liberal government has weakened our economy with anti-energy laws red tape and high taxes that have driven $500 billion out of our country into the United States and made us incapable of shipping our resources overseas that weakness threatens our ability to stand up for ourselves so what would I do i would cut taxes red tape and approve our resource projects so that we can get our goods to market

(10:53) and bring home the jobs so we stand up to President Trump from a position of strength mr singh you get the next question can we trust the United States to work with us on matters such as Arctic sovereignty and defense policy i think we've seen uh first of all good evening everyone and thank you for tuning in and thanks for the question Steve uh we've seen uh what for a lot of people feels like a betrayal when we look at the United States i grew up in a border town i grew up in Windsor and we saw how connected we were as a city and

(11:22) as a community people lived on one side of the border worked on the other people traveled back and forth all the time we're in the automotive capital of Canada and we knew how important it was to be able to build cars in Canada but we saw that those cars went back and forth across the border seeing what Donald Trump did to attack Canada in this unprovoked way without any justification really felt like a betrayal and so Canadians now are right to say "Well we don't really trust uh Donald Trump at this point and we can't

(11:50) really have a lot of faith in him." So when it comes to our Arctic sovereignty and our security we need to make decisions that are in our best interest and no longer be so dependent and so reliant on the US and that's what I would advocate for making sure we are resilient independent and less dependent on the United States mr blanche for you what supports would you want to see for industries affected by tariffs many of course of which are in Quebec many of them first we all welcome in Quebec and Montreal you have me because I try not

(12:20) to speak English in Montreal however I think we should never underestimate the threat that Mr trump poses on Quebec economy and Canada economy and Mexico economy but we must acknowledge the fact that the economy of Quebec is built differently the challenges are not the same the necessity for Quebec to have at least partly its own voice in the negotiation is important the difference between Quebec and Canada is very important in terms of economy but also in terms of identity and language and values and who we are and the way we

(12:53) want to handle uh immigration so we have the right to be different and if this difference is being respected by whoever becomes prime minister of Canada we will be reliable partners in order to achieve the best possible negotiation and protect ourselves and our economies as partners mercier okay we now move into open debate and I'll start it off Mr carney with you and then we go from there do you still support dollar for-dollar tariffs even if they ultimately threaten Canadian jobs and businesses uh no and in fact we've

(13:28) already moved off from dollar fordoll tariffs um you know we have to recognize and I think we all do the United States economy is more than 10 times the size of the Canadian economy and the principle uh in terms of our counter tariffs is to have maximum impact in the United States as I said a moment ago minimum impact here so we have to think about the impact on Canadian businesses i'll give you one example if I may uh in the auto sector the way we've designed those auto tariffs um is that Canadian automakers if they maintain production

(13:58) here if they maintain their investments here I when I say Canadian automakers I mean automakers that have jobs and plants and production in Canada then they can have lower tariffs on what they ship to the United States we create a huge incentive for them in order to do that we also have carved out the Canadian auto parts sector last point I know you're pressed for time uh the Canadian auto parts sector so that it can remain competitive uh with the United States we're focused on maximizing Canadian jobs maximizing the

(14:28) harm in the US um so that we get them where we need them mr paul if you want in then Mr sing Mr carney um you claim that you want our country to respond with strength but after the last decade half of which time you've been Justin Trudeau's economic adviser our economy is weaker than ever before it's been the worst growth in the G7 we've lost a half trillion dollars of investment south of the border you supported blocking pipelines in Canada that gave Donald Trump and the US a near monopoly over our energy and now you

(15:04) want to keep in place bill C69 the liberal no new development law that blocks us from shipping our resources overseas how could you possibly think it's a good idea to give the Americans a continued monopoly on our energy projects when you have seen how much these liberal policies have weakened our country over the last decade let Mr carney respond and then Mr s sure sure if I may yes um so let's go to my record my record is a month-long as prime minister and this goes to the heart of coming to the Americans with strength

(15:41) but doing the right thing for Canada within the first week as prime minister I sat down with all the premers of the provinces and territories as well as the leaders of uh the indigenous peoples got an agreement with all the provinces and territories doesn't happen very often got an agreement for them to have one Canadian economy instead of 13 first point secondly to commit the federal government to do its part by Canada Day so free trade in Canada by Canada Day thirdly the federal government to commit with respect to project review the

(16:10) question was I'm getting to it the thirdly one project one review and relying relying on provincial yes it is possible it is possible on our system it is the impact assessment it is it is a agreed on under the impact assessment framework and we have a cooperation agreement with British Columbia already we're looking forward to them with the other provinces we will move forward of course we agree around having a strategic response to the United States but what I'm concerned about is what we're doing here in Canada we are

(16:42) already seeing threats to our country in that just the threats alone of the tariffs have meant Canadians have lost their jobs the threats of the tariffs that are in pace right now the threat the impact of those tariffs is that we've lost jobs in steel aluminum and the auto sector people are already losing their jobs and while Mr carney you had time as you mentioned not very long time but as prime minister you showed us your priorities the first thing you did is you had traveled you made a tax cut for bill millionaires

(17:10) which was reversing on the capital gains so you gave a tax cut to millionaires uh but you didn't have time to increase the amount that workers get on EI right now workers who are struggling and wondering what am I going to do if I lose my job workers who've lost their job are saying "How do I pay my bills when EI only covers half of a worker's salary?" Maybe 40 years ago that would have worked but right now most workers are spending their entire salary just to pay the bills to pay their mortgage and their rents and to put food on the table so EI

(17:40) is not good enough and it shows Canadians that you didn't make it a priority to protect those that are impacted by these tariffs that are threat because their jobs are lost we have not heard from Mr blanche yet in this segment so please yeah Mr carney you are becoming a real Canadian leader saying one thing in French and another one in English you said in British Columbia in February that you would force oil and gas through pipelines through Quebec either we wanted it or not you would use emergency powers in

(18:09) order to do so and two days later in Montreal you said that you would never do that without the approval of Quebec the point of using emergency powers if you do have the agreement of Quebec however I do agree with you it's important to be very strong in front of Mr uh Trump uh however I would keep the dollar for dollar policy don't be weak in front of Mr trump and those uh counter tariffs have to be have to be targeted you have put out already two billions of dollars for Ontario auto industry car industry and the lumberwood

(18:49) industry in Quebec has already paid to United States2 billions of dollars and you have not raised one finger in order to help us let's get from Mr pv and then a response from Mr carney well Mr carney refused to answer the question about pipelines just the other day he said that he doesn't necessarily think we need to build pipelines let me tell you what that means right now the Americans get 97% of our oil 100% of our natural gas exports at big discounts we have to send Canadian oil from Western Canada through the

(19:21) states just to get it back to Quebec because we don't have a pipeline and now there's this law Liberal law C69 would effect which effectively bans pipelines the 14 biggest energy and resource companies say it has to go if we're ever going to build another project and I asked Mr carney why he would keep in place this anti-pipeline law that effectively empowers Donald Trump to have a total monopoly on our single biggest export why would you not repeal this liberal law isn't it because you are exactly the same in the same line as

(19:56) Justin Trudeau and the rest of the Liberal team that is now making up your cabinet let's get a response well let's uh let me pick up a couple of points that have been made the first thing I did as prime minister was to cut the carbon tax uh that's the first thing second thing is made a commitment made a commitment that all proceeds all proceeds from our tariffs will go to workers and those companies most effective there were several points raised if I may if Mr steve if I may address I'm trying to do it quickly

(20:24) because several points raised all proceeds go to workers and the uh firms most effective and those proceeds are considerable third thing in I'm interested in solutions i'm interested in getting uh energy infrastructure built that means pipelines that means carbon capture storage that means electricity grids and here's how you do it and we've already moved in the first in the first month cooperation agreements with the provinces guess what we are a federation you need to cooperate with Quebec you need to cooperate with the provinces you need to

(20:52) get first nations and indigenous people buy in you can do that through through the one project one review uh window that we put in place at that first minister's meeting as well as if necessary using emergency powers to fulfill the federal responsibility but not the unique mr pv you want to come back on that what you're saying Mr carney with respect is a total contradiction the no new development law C69 guarantees there will not be one-stop shop because it requires the government of Canada to actually duplicate

(21:27) Mr project have one Mr let's just let him finish his sentence that is not true in fact Mr singh the reality is we should have strong rules enforced once we shouldn't have multiple levels of energy that take it takes now 17 years to get a major project approved in this country that is why in the last 10 years we've had the worst economic growth in our in the entire pipeline we cannot afford liberal term we need a change and the conservative plan for a change will include repealing the anti-pipeline law so we can get our energy to markets

(22:08) other than the United States mr singh then Mr while these two compete about who's more pro pipeline I think what we need to do is I mean it's clear the Liberals bought a pipeline they built a pipeline i don't know what Pierre is complaining about that's what they did uh I think what we need to do if we're talking about energy in our country we need to build an east west grid let's use our power as a nation to build a national project that creates good jobs that strengthens us for the future where we connect the lowcost energy from

(22:34) jurisdictions and provinces across this beautiful land and have lowcost energy for businesses for people so we can build a stronger economy that's the the energy of the future that we need mr carney three quick points um first the pipeline built yes TMX built that's why oil exports up 50% over the course of last few years secondly Mr sing Mr sing Mr mr singh is absolutely right about the east west grid grid interconnections which is part of the energy corridor huge opportunities for this country we have to be able to do more than one

(23:04) thing third point fundamental point we can give ourselves far more than Donald Trump can ever take away if we have one Canadian economy not 13 and if we just look at that agreement we got with the provinces look at what Ontario and Nova Scotia have just announced in terms of their steps towards this this is within our grasp mr blanche what should we be prepared to concede in our negotiations with the United States i want to be back to something that Mr carney said you can't do something and the opposite and

(23:36) you can't fill people's mind with nonsense quebec has by law its own environmental review institution and you cannot through a federal decision even through a Quebec government decision over go over the BAP as we call it if the BAP says no it's no I know I know but this is in mind this is the point this is if I may this is the point the federal government can do the following which is to take the decision to abide by the decision of the Quebec map that is within the federal government's power that is known as

(24:16) cooperative federalism that's what we need to do and do you understand one other point this is what we need if we I mean this is what we need to do in a crisis we have more and then Mr pier yeah the building of those pipelines will take at least at least 10 to 14 years mr trump will be 90 years old not president no more and somebody somebody of course less terrible will be there before you can even dream of having oil through this pipeline of yours we're less than a minute to go mr pav have I promised you next listen after the last

(24:56) 10 years of liberals blocking pipelines and killing jobs we actually we actually need to get things done we need a change and our conservative plan for change will repeal the no new pipelines law it will create a true one-stop shop set up ready uh shovel ready zones with pre-ermitting so that we can approve LNG liquefaction export plants mines pipelines uh nuclear plants and also hydro electric dams so that we can generate the power we need to be strong self-reliant and stand on our own two feet for a change last quick word to Mr

(25:35) carney okay quick word bringing it back to what we're talking about which is tariffs the threats to Canada how to negotiate we need these options we need these options to build domestically to build one Canadian economy we need to act we need to diversify our trade partners that will give us time in this segment that is our time okay you know my job tonight I got to be the heavy guy here every now and then making sure everybody comes to time and I'm keeping an eye as well on making sure that everybody gets rough justice over here

(26:01) that concludes our first section and our first debate up next affordability and the cost of living [Music] our goal is to double the pace of housing construction you will lower your bills build homes you can actually afford investment energy and home building [Music] okay leaders same idea one-on-one questions followed by open debate format and Mr polyv you get the first question this time many provinces including some provinces with conservative governments have ambitious housing targets none of which have been met why do you think

(26:45) your housing plan will be any different let me start by talking to the young people of the nation and those who are aspiring to home ownership you know it was only 10 years ago you could have buy a an average house for $450,000 but in the last lost liberal decade housing costs have doubled rising faster than in any country in the G7 and so now our youth cannot afford a home and our seniors are worried about being evicted we can't afford a fourth liberal term of rising housing costs we need a change and our conservative plan for

(27:19) change will one ax the federal sales tax on new homes two incentivize municipalities to cut their construction taxes to bring houses down in cost by $100,000 three sell off federal land for homes and four train up 350,000 young trades workers who can help build those homes because you deserve a home and we're going to make it happen for a change also on the issue of affordability Mr singh you got the next question how do you bring down grocery prices in the midst of a trade war i appreciate the I appreciate the

(27:55) question this is a big concern when I when I talk to Canadians they tell me they're really feeling squeezed from the cost of living that's one of the top things that people tell me about people are saying "I can't afford to buy groceries every time I go to the grocery store it's just ongoing worry and and this feeling of anxiety that can I actually afford the things that my family needs?" On top of that people are worried about the cost of homes i think those are the two biggest things I hear so we we can do things about this other

(28:20) countries have taken concrete steps we can put in a price cap on food essentials france has done it greece has done it to great success it's brought down the cost of food significantly in both those jurisdictions we can also ban corporate landlords from buying up the affordable homes to keep homes that are affordable affordable we can make things better for Canadians but it requires having the courage to take on the powerful corporations that are ripping you off that are price gouging you and we know that price gouging is one of the

(28:48) major reasons why food prices are going up you're never going to hear Pierre Paulv or Mr carney talk about the fact that these are the corporations that time mr bl I want to ask you about old age security which will soon cost this country hundred billion dollars annually we understand you would like to expand it how would you pay for that we would want it to be just for everybody because the liberals have created the discrimination against elders which are 65 to 75 years old having 10% less income from federal government than

(29:19) those who are over 75 but the best way to do it is to have everybody pay its fair share in terms of tax which means that one should not be entitled to hide money in fiscal paradise in order not to pay him or his clients or friends not to pay billions of dollars in taxes that could be used to help the situation of elders the those are things which are supposed to be apply applied to I'm sorry applied to everybody there are a lot of questions to be answered about that other ways to do it is to reduce the pressure on housing price to make

(29:58) sure that the whole budget of elders and families and workers can afford houses which have uh increased dramatically in price that's time for this one mr carney I want to ask you about housing which over the past decade has gone from a problem to a crisis while the Liberals were were in power is your policy on getting homes built any different from your predecessors and how uh this is one of the reasons why I entered this uh this contest uh because of the housing crisis the cost of living crisis the housing crisis and the Trump crisis to

(30:32) help to help fix it um and I would look the housing approach is fundamentally different because we need a fundamentally different approach we need to build housing at a rate that we haven't seen since the end of the Second World War we do need a fundamentally different approach and and with the fundamentally different approach we can build an entirely new industry so the question is how now Mr polyv and I agree on some things okay I agree as well on reducing the tax on firsttime uh home purchases as a way to buy but I am

(31:03) focused on increasing the supply of homes and doing that in a way that uses Canadian technology in modular pre-fabricated housing that uses Canadian lumber uh including in reinforced timber and uses Canadian workers and in all respects we're scaling up to double the rate of home building thank you Mr carney that's time we now move to open forum here and Mr singh you got the first comment um many of you have pledged to cut the GST on many aspects of buying a home and Mr singh I want to ask you would you cut the GST on anything else in order to

(31:36) make life more affordable absolutely in fact I'm the only one on this stage that fought to give people a GST holiday interestingly while that GST holiday helps workingclass folks middle class folks by taking off the GST off essentials the conservatives under Pierre Pia have voted against that uh they oppose the idea of giving people actual folks that need help a tax break and would rather give millionaires a tax break which shows you whose side he's on which is not surprising but what is surprising that Mr carney also said that

(32:04) giving people a break on their GST is a bad idea mr carney why do you think giving a tax break to capital gains folks that earn more than a million dollars is a good idea but helping a family afford their groceries helping people afford their bills for their internet their cell phone their home heating giving them relief to take the GST off those is a bad idea but giving a tax break to people who really only earn over more than $1.

(32:29) 4 million that's somehow a good idea okay you went after your numbers you went after Mr pia first so I'm going to give him the first shot to respond if you Well Mr carney the reality is that housing costs doubled under the Liberal government while Justin Trudeau made exactly the same promises that you are now repeating today he promised that he would double h home building in fact home building went down he promised that he'd reduce the cost in fact it went up and now here we are mark Carney is asking for a fourth liberal term repeating the exact same

(33:00) liberal promises that priced you out of a house just a few uh weeks ago before the election the Liberals voted against taking the GST off new homes and they have continued to build up bureaucracies that block construction we need a change so that you can afford a home and our change will be again to ax the sales tax on new homes incentivize municipalities to speed up permits free up land and cut development costs train up 350,000 young people who can be in the trades to build those homes and sell off the land that

(33:31) is going to be needed in order to build homes that is a real plan a real plan for you to own a home and afford your life for a change mr carney they're coming at you from both sides what do you say uh okay um I know it's it may be difficult uh Mr polyv you spent years running against Justin Trudeau and the carbon tax and neither they're both gone okay they're both gone um and we're we're impersonation of him with the same policies very different look I'm very different person from Justin Trudeau focus is on results so how to drive

(34:05) results in the housing market you've got to change the model of building you've got to increase the financing for uh housing developers $25 billion on the table for those housing developers 10 billion for deeply affordable homes cutting development charges in half lowering the cost of the building of those homes by 20% in and lowering the emissions and the run costs of those homes by another 20% this is how you drive affordability this is how you bring young people back into the housing system you claim to be very different

(34:42) from Mr trudeau now the point is to show that you are any better than Mr trudeau you claim to have a lot of experience in many things and you know things last time we had somebody saying that they knew things it was a senators and they killed the law that protected supply management because they knew better than us and were elected by nobody exactly like you are today you say that you are a great crisis manager which one i heard of nothing as far as I know Brexit happened even if you were against it you say you are a great negotiator what have

(35:19) you negotiated but fiscal paradises in Bermudas or Kaiman Islands you have to prove something and you have to reveal what you own in those companies if you want people to believe you mr singh you wanted in yes returning to the topic of housing now it's very important obviously we need to build homes that people can afford mr polyv had the opportunity to show us what he could do he was the minister of housing under Steven Harper and during that time guess how many homes he built he built six homes during that entire time this is

(35:50) not someone you can trust to build homes he built six homes this has been confirmed again and again he six homes that's it now the problem though with Mr carney as well he's laid out a plan the problem is is that when he was the chair of Brookville Investments this is a company that made a strategic decision to buy up affordable homes in cities like Toronto where people were paying a decent rent and they purposely bought those homes kicked out the tenants and jacked up the rents that is not someone you can trust sadly to deal with the

(36:21) housing crisis when Mr carney you profited off of it we're going to get responses here mr pia first Mr carney second first of all Mr saying hold this up to remind you the Toronto Star the Toronto Star debunked your falsehood six homes and I appreciate neither Liberals or NDP are very good with math but in that year the year I was great the year the year let's let him answer high enough though the year I was minister we had 200,000 homes built and guess what the average price of a home was at the time $450,000 one one bedrooms rented out for

(36:56) $900 and that since that time housing costs have actually doubled under the Liberals and now we have now we have Mr carney making tens of billions of dollars of spending promises that will ultimately continue to build bureaucracy we don't need more bureaucracy in Ottawa we tried that for 10 Liberal years mr carney what we need is to build homes in communities and that means taxes on home building and getting the government out of the way so that builders can actually build mr carney you are on housing we need a change and you sir are not a

(37:30) change mark I'm going to pick up on I thought that answer was quite revealing uh the first thing is that uh it's an attitude towards housing that absolutely ignores affordable housing deeply affordable housing issues with vulnerable people ignores the rental market ignores all other aspects of it so the six are the relevant Mr singh is absolutely right the six are the relevant 200,000 the the 200,000 are a different part of the housing market there are many Canadians there are many Canadians at different uh income uh

(38:01) levels the second thing it reveals is a misunderstanding or well a misunderstanding I'll be polite of how the government's balance sheet can catalyze enormous private investment and that is what we need to do to solve the housing crisis happens to be what we need to do as a whole to address the economic crisis that's been forced on us by President Trump mr blanche yeah you have spoken much more than I have so I won't ask a question i will make a statement and instead I'm not saying no I'm not saying that you cannot

(38:38) do what you pretend that you are able to do we just have no proof so far i'm saying quite clearly that you cannot be entitled to do it alone you cannot be entitled to hold all the power in your two ends you cannot go out there and fix things for Canada and Quebec without being seriously checked by serious people you cannot go out there out there and speak for Quebec without Quebec having its own strong voice to protect itself and to promote its different economy so if you want to collaborate let's say right now that whatever

(39:13) happens even if minority government government happens you will be a partner with the different Quebec economy and identity which you have been not interested in for the economic part and uh not respectful for the identity part let me get Mr sing at this point can you tell us what's the first thing you would do to make life more affordable for Canadians there's a lot of things that we can do and I've laid out some of those things i think fundamentally I'm the only person on stage that not only fought for real

(39:42) relief for people in terms of affordability i'm the only one that fought for pharmarmacare that actually makes life more affordable by giving people medication coverage uh dental care that gives people more affordability by letting them access their services if you're a senior and a kid i fought for child care to make sure people could afford childare all measures that Mr paul voted against all measures that Mr blanche voted against so if you want someone that's going to fight for you in Ottawa to actually make

(40:07) life more affordable you can't entrust all the power to Mr carney he doesn't have a track record of making life more affordable for people but we do so vote for a new Democrat and we'll continue this work to make life more affordable for you while the conservatives and the block have voted against those measures to make life affordable because that's not who they care about New Democrats are in it for you pure Pol the number one expense for families today is taxes more than they spend on food clothing and shelter combined this after 10 years

(40:37) of liberal tax increases we can't afford a fourth term of high liberal taxes that's why conservatives have a plan for change and that plan included against every measure to help people i could cutting income taxes by 15% for the average worker and seniors saving a working couple up to $2,000 rewarding hard work again because hard work is actually being punished is actually being punished because of the very high taxes now the Liberals promised 10 years ago they would lower them they actually rose raise taxes on nine out of 10

(41:10) Canadians we need a change in this country because your hard work should once again pay off with a powerful paycheck that buys you an affordable food affordable home you want to save $2,000 and that's what we will deliver you want to save people $2,000 but cut their dental care which is thousands of dollars cut their child care which is thousands of dollars cut pharmarmacare coverage which is thousands of dollars that's not a very good math deal right there you're going to cut you're going to save people 2,000 but cost them tens

(41:36) of thousands of dollars that's why you cannot afford conservatives and you certainly can't trust the liberals you need new Democrats mark uh I'm gonna reinforce that point and then I'll respond to Mr blanche um child care in this country $3,000 to $10,000 a year for a family depending on where you live province jurisdiction but depending on where you live that's that's what's being saved there $800 per trip to the dentist we have expanded dental care million Canadian 8 million Canad issues for affordability we're

(42:12) talking about affordability and taking them off in order tax Quebec that's not what I've said and in terms of working with Quebec for Canadians yes absolutely throughout the short time I've been prime minister working directly with the pre premier of Quebec our minister of foreign affairs our minister of finance are from Quebec quebec and Quebec issues whether it's to answer Mr go's letter he asked five things in a letter he reduced his expectations we're talking about and you did not even answer him and tonight you

(42:48) are so much in love with Quebec m Steve Steve the question that Canadians have to ask why both weather Mr sorry he has the floor the question you have to ask is after a decade of liberal promises can you afford food is your housing more affordable than it used to be what is your cost of living like compared to what it was a decade ago and are you prepared to elect the same Liberal MPs the same Liberal ministers the same Liberal staffers all over again for a fourth term mr carney Justin Trudeau's staffers are actually here

(43:26) with you at this debate in Montreal writing the talking points that you are regurgitating into the microphone how can we possibly believe that you are any different than the previous 10 years of Liberal government 5 seconds left in this segment for you to respond to that look I do my own talking points thank you very much um the biggest risk we have to affordability the biggest risk we have to this economy is Donald Trump so first and foremost we've got to get that right secondly we need to do it in a way that

(43:59) brings everyone along together that means preserving pharmarmacare dental care child care reinforcing health care spending our intrusion intrusion intrusion intrusion in Quebec jurisdiction over and again i like any better than we are is there one thing Canadians can do that Quebecers cannot do you are doing intrusions in our jurisdiction with our money pretending you are better and most of the time you try to copy what we did with our own money against us what's that as a policy don't you have your own things gentle

(44:34) about that that really is time for this segment i wanted to be polite and let everybody finish their point far beyond I took the liberty thank you okay that ends section two up next public safety and security [Music] fight crime to protect Canadians and to build communities that are safe secure and strong keep crime drugs stolen cars and other illegal substances out of our country we're going to invest in our borders and that means hiring more border officers resources are in short supply not enough staff this is not a

(45:10) nice way to treat people who come to our border okay same format one-on-one questions and then open debate mr blanche you get to go first in this one um public safety and security for a lot of people that means the fentinel crisis i'd like to know what you could contribute to ending that crisis in this country the fentinal crisis is a very serious issue which is a bit less important in Quebec than it is in British Columbia i think the whole border thing is the real issue immigration is a very important issue

(45:43) for Quebecers immigration has to be dealt with in an orderly fashion our borders are not dealt with in an orderly fashion the rules are not respected the rules are unclear some rules even invite people to hide for two weeks illegally before coming out some things has to be done uh the situation of one person asking for asylum may take as much as four years without us reducing the number in order to deal with them in an a human way the services for every citizen in Quebec are being reduced because we cannot afford the fact that

(46:22) we are receiving much much more people in Quebec from this specific type of immigration than we can afford and we cannot teach them French that's time mr blanche we can of course return to the immigration issue during open debate should you choose to mr carney question for you the liberal gun buyback policy not considered a success by many people reviving it is in your platform yeah why would it work this time yeah i think well what we've seen with that uh that policy is some success at the at the commercial level but not at the

(46:55) individual level uh because it hasn't been my opinion it hasn't been organized uh properly and it needs to be organized properly and I've instructed the minister of uh national security and public safety uh in order to do that so part of this is a different focus of government a focus on results a focus on clear milestones in the short term let me make a broader point though on gun which is that we have a problem with guns coming over borders which is why we've tightened our borders we have an issue though with a gun industry that is

(47:28) continually coming up with new forms of assault rifles uh mass killing uh machines we banned over 2,000 of these every single time there has been a vote in the House of Commons on gun control Mr polyv has voted against it you can't be tough on crime unless you're tough on guns mr polyv you can come back on that in the open debate if you want to but my question for you in this segment is indigenous people are statistically over represented in our correction system are you concerned that your tough on crime platform will make that worse i'm

(48:01) concerned that indigenous people are disproportionately the victims of crime i give you the example of a wonderful group of indigenous people who came under attack in Saskatchewan and many of them were murdered killer was out of jail after 60 prior convictions this is the result of 10 years of liberal laws that allow the same offenders to be released dozens and dozens of times even when it's known they are a danger we can't risk a fourth liberal term of soft on crime policies we need a change and the conservative

(48:42) plan for change will bring in a three strikes your outlaw three convictions for serious crimes you go to jail for at least 10 years maybe for life no chance of parole or bail we will bring in life sentences for traffickers of fentinol human beings and guns and we will secure our borders to keep the illegal thank you Mr pv that's time mr singh your question is about the RCMP because you've got RCMP reform in your platform what in your view is the problem with the RCMP well some of the basis for this is the concern that's been raised in

(49:16) more rural communities in northern communities that uh there have been some serious concerns about uh violence or inappropriate use of force when it comes to the the execution of their duties uh we want to make sure that we've got a a top tier police force that provides uh security and safety to those communities in a way that's sensitive and understanding of the communities they're serving uh I also think what's very important is for indigenous communities indigenous policing this is an area of deep concern i think everyone in our

(49:44) country should be safe you should be able to be safe at home safe when you go to work safe if you take public transit safe for your kids to be able to play in the local playground and that's something I'm committed to the other area that I'm focused on when it comes to public safety is making sure we prevent crime before it happens and that's why we want to see increased investments our border security we saw under the Conservatives they cut,00 border officers in one day uh so that prevented our ability to keep our

(50:12) borders safe that stops those material that's time not sure it was about the RCMP but maybe we can get back to that during the open debate segment uh which we go to right now and Mr polyv have you get the first word on this one and it sort of dubtales on the last answer you gave which is you have pledged to be the first prime minister in this country to use the notwithstanding clause setting aside charter rights of as you call them multiple murderers why do you think that's necessary to be clear I want to uphold the charter rights of Canadians

(50:40) under section 7 to the to life liberty and security of the person right now that right is violated by multiple murderers who are given discounts the case in question was a gentleman who went into a mosque and shot dead six innocent worshippers he got according to this ruling only one 25-year sentence meaning he can be out in his 50s he only serves four years for every murder that he carried out that is outrageous and I will use the constitutional powers that are created for this purpose to ensure that mass murderers stay in maximum

(51:19) security penitentiary for life they will only come out in a box we will also pass tough new laws that prevent repeat offenders from getting out if you commit three offenses under the three strikes law I propose you will not be allowed out of jail until you prove that you are drug-free that you f that you have behaved perfectly and that you've learned an employable skill and you've served a 10-year sentence we cannot allow liberal crime and chaos to go on terrorizing our communities what we need is a real plan for change so that we can

(51:50) bring back the safety and the security that Canadians used to take for granted let me get Mr carney to respond to that do you think that's an appropriate use of the notwithstanding clause of the charter i think that the um one of the core responsibilities of the federal government prime minister uh is to defend the fundamental rights and liberties of Canadians uh and those fundamental rights and liberties of Canadians are outlined in our charter of rights and freedoms which is 43 years old literally today i think it's a very

(52:21) dangerous slope to override judgments of the Supreme Court of Canada in fact the Charter of Rights and Freedoms exists to protect Canadians from people like us on the stage politicians who may use their power to override fundamental rights and the issue in using by the federal government I'll stop here is not where you start but where will you stop Mr poly I I should get Mr polyv on that is it a slippery slope to use it in this case i must say I would be quite interested too because Mr carney said that he didn't want us to use the

(53:03) notwithstanding cause clause before uh adopting a law and yesterday he said that he felt that it was wrong to use the notwithstanding clause after a law is adopted so if we cannot use it before and we cannot use it after it means that Mr believes that we should never use it but it is very important and the Ford case made it clear the constitution says how it should be used but never how or what we will do with it because it's the prerogative of the provinces so do you want the Supreme Court to overrule another judgment of the same Supreme

(53:51) Court because you don't like it because that would be being the hell of a politician as you define them well let me just start by saying first of all yeah thank you i just started by saying let's not let Mr paul Yev get away with making this ludic ludicrous claim that anyone that on this stage thinks that violent crime should get a less severe penalty obviously that is not a special position that he's taking everyone agrees that horrible crimes should have horrible sentences judges are equipped to do that so don't let Mr polyv's

(54:22) rhetoric confused people obviously everyone agrees that if someone does something horrible they should pay a horrible price for it there should be appropriate sentence that's put in place by a judge uh but what I'm concerned about is all of what Mr polio is talking about is after the fact now there's heinous things that happen and there needs to be severe penalties put in place but we also need to keep communities safe and that's what my focus is well how do we stop crime before it happens much of the violent

(54:47) crime that's committed is committed by illegal handguns and firearms that come across the border now Mr paul has admitted that as well that it is illegal handguns and illegal weapons that are used in violent crime so our plan is let's stop those illegal weapons getting into our country in the first place and the way we do that is by having stronger border security officers and having more people on the border mr pierre Bolv when he was in power in the Conservatives they cut the number of border officers they reduced the number weakening our

(55:17) borders can't trust them let's get back to Mr polyv on the issue of whether in using the notwithstanding clause under these circumstances would be a kind of a slippery slope and encourage politicians to use it more no we will use it to protect the the charter rights of lawabiding Canadians i'm interested in the rights of victims mr carney seems to be very interested in the rights of criminals he says that it's dangerous for me to ensure that mass murderers stay behind bars for life you know what's dangerous turning them loose on

(55:50) our streets i don't think you appreciate sir the chaos that is unfolding in communities in Toronto right now the police have been forced to tell people to just let people let the thief steal the car when they break into the house just take the keys just let them take the keys so that you don't get hurt people are living in terror in many of our communities precisely because of the catch and releaseleas bail law C75 which requires judges release the the accused at the earliest opportunity under the least ownorous conditions your every

(56:25) single member of your liberal caucus and your Liberal cabinet voted in favor of this bill and they are all determined to keep it in place despite constant promises to the contrary mr carney Canadians deserve to live in peace and security that is the right that I'm fighting for for a change i I'm fighting for that as well and let me be specific about two things that have been raised uh the first is with respect to uh these issues of car theft home invasion uh and and and I'll use the greater the GTA uh area where uh there has been sharp

(57:02) increase how do you attack that you attack it several ways one you increase the criminal penalties for that happening particularly if you're part of a gang particularly if you use a firearm and you will and we are doing so we've committed uh to doing so you put in place a reverse onus in terms of bail so that it has to be proven that there's not a risk which we've also committed to and then you go to what Mr singh was talking about which is we have to reinforce our frontiers that's why we're committing to an extra thousand Canada

(57:34) border service agents an extra thousand RCMPs that's why as part of the broader fentanyl uh initiative where we've added to uh the RCMP there we've added drones we're adding helicopters we're adding surveillance and we're going to the other end of the chain with respect to car theft which is tightening security at the ports this is what we need in order to get results you need to focus where at both ends of the chains in federal thank you very much i want to talk about uh one of the issues that has come up is is the idea of the public

(58:05) safety concerns around the overdose crisis and and how this is devastating our communities we're seeing uh so many lives being lost uh in that we know that one of the ways to address that is by investing in some of the solutions like mental health services and rehabilitation services services keep our communities safe having access to those good services uh both Mr carney and Mr polyv are proposing cutting government spending and cutting those services that's not going to make our communities safer we need to see better

(58:34) investments in rehabilitation services more investments in mental health we need to respond to this serious crisis in our country with care and compassion i met with Mom Stop the Harm an organization of moms that have lost their children to this opioid overdose crisis they've literally had their children have died because of this and they say they're saying we need to do everything possible to save lives to stop uh this death from happening and I think we need to listen to those moms and that's my commitment mle two things

(59:03) as rapidly as possible first we believe that we should act on crime gangs and organizations defining them as we do for terrorist organization we have to protect our kids from the violence of those gang from the drugs being sold by those gang from the the guns and whatever else being sto being uh sale being by those gangs sold and not sold being you know purchase a thing and selling sold sold yeah sold by those gangs and we mostly have to protect our kids from being recruited by those gangs becoming violent at 13 and 14 and 16 uh

(59:50) years old because this is the real fear of parents like I am this is a very dangerous situation i want to come back to immigration because we said that we would come back to immigration do you remember the century initiative a sad memory officially they said that they had not considered Quebec difference they have not considered Quebec language they wanted Canada to be 100 million people country by the end of the century mr barton told myself told me himself that he had not even thought about the Quebec difference in that analysis and

(1:00:27) one of his closest collaborators is now a close counselor to Mr carney which seems to be part of so of that kind of project or ideology so it is impossible for Canada to have all those people coming to Canada it is impossible for Quebec to receive all those people and in Quebec we have the language and values and secularity of the state issue which is very important so I say pose pose pose let's do thing properly let's receive migrants in an orderly fashion and successfully as a measure of respect for them also mr piv if you wanted a

(1:01:05) word i speak to families all the time who are terrified by the scourge of drugs and illegal guns and we know those guns are not Grandpa Joe's hunting rifle so when the liberals try to ban hunting rifles they're really going after the wrong people 90% of guns that come into that go are used in crime are smuggled illegally over the poorest liberal borders that's why that's not true and that's why the borders the police actually if I could the police actually endorsed me the police in Barry in Peele in Sue St marie have all endorsed me

(1:01:42) because they know that I will go after the gun smugglers and criminals with 2,000 extra border frontline border guards that will stop the guns from coming in but I unlike the Liberals and NDP I will not ban hunting rifles the Liberals want to protect I want to protect Canadians from criminals the Liberals want to protect turkeys from hunters i think we know which one makes quick intervention Mr carney and then I got a question for each of you before this segment's out okay um we absolutely fully support uh hunting uh rights of

(1:02:11) hunters um and indigenous Canadians but I want to I want to raise an issue which is a serious issue talking about safety uh there are people we're in Montreal in Montreal in Toronto across this country who fear going to their synagogue fear going to their community center fear uh taking their children leaving their children's school and this has to stop this is un it's totally unacceptable so what we're proposing is to make it a criminal offense to threaten or to impede anyone from being near or going to their place of worship their school

(1:02:46) their community center this I I it it pains me that one we have to do it because this is not what we should be doing as Canadians of course but we will put that in place let me get and this is a fundamental issue with respect to let me get 10 seconds from each of you before this segment's out on what you perceive to be the biggest security threat to Canada right now 10 seconds each mr polyv the the physical security threat to our country uh is the rampant crime wave that is running out of control uh after the the the last decade we've had 116%

(1:03:21) increase in gun crime we need to lock up the criminals i got to hold you 10 seconds Mr carney uh well we're in a security uh section um I think we didn't have a chance to talk about anything internationally i think the biggest security threat to ch Canada is China china you say mr singh uh biggest security threat illegal guns and drugs coming across the border and cuts to services that would make our public safety and security even worse last word to Mr bosch the fact that neither Quebec or Canada is able to protect itself and

(1:03:50) that we are still dependent and entirely dependent on American to protect us okay that is the end of that section gentlemen up next energy and climate [Music] improving pipelines getting things filled unleashing production we are unlocking major infrastructure projects including in conventional energy oil and gas we're speaking thousands of dollars a year for each family to pay for the damages of climate change we can absolutely build important projects like an east west energy grid energy and climate change i know how

(1:04:33) much all of you love talking about pipelines so here we go mr singh to you first should Canada build new pipelines to get our oil and gas to market well it's not a approach I favor with public money there's not any projects that are on the table so it's not a specific project to look at i favor when it comes to the environment uh building an east west energy grid that connects lowcost energy and allows for families to reduce their electricity costs but let's put this all in context we're talking about uh what our energy solutions are in the

(1:05:02) context of a climate crisis and we're not just talking about a climate crisis in the in the far future we're living it right now i remember I met a mom a couple years ago before I had kids who told me she was worried about taking her kids out on some days because of the forest fires in BC it meant that it was unsafe for kids to go outdoors fast forward to when I became a parent just a couple years after that and I literally worry about the same thing the forest fires we saw a couple years ago meant that many places that didn't see this

(1:05:29) before saw days where there was such smoke in the air that it was dangerous for kids uh we've seen extreme weather uh forest fires heat domes floods impacting us we've got to do everything we can thank you Mr singh that's time mr polyv where does fighting climate change land on your list of priorities when it comes to expanding energy opportunities in this country it lands within our priorities of bringing home jobs while bringing down emissions around the world look the reality is that if we push production out of our country to more

(1:06:04) polluting countries it actually makes the problem worse but that has been exactly the liberal approach with the anti-development law C69 blocking of 15 LNG export plants uh over the last 10 years we have seen more of those jobs go abroad i want to bring them home my plan will be to approve for example natural gas liquefaction and export if we sent our gas to India for example to displace half of their demand for electricity we could reduce emissions by 2.

(1:06:39) 5 billion tons which is three times the total emissions of Canada that's the way we bring emissions down and jobs up it's common sense and now it's time to bring it home thank you Mr pv uh the next question is for Mr carney how would your government fasttrack pipelines and mining projects while also following the Supreme Court decision that requires consent of indigenous communities well I think the first thing and this goes back a bit to where we started uh which is recognizing that we are in a crisis we need to act with maximum force um and

(1:07:16) having a process and a consultation but a consultation with a purpose which is to identify those projects those investments of national interest that are really going to move the dial in terms of growth jobs energy security well-being consistent with long-term competitiveness which necessarily means lower carbon and so part of that process is ensuring that First Nations indigenous peoples are there from the start it also includes their ability to participate fully in those projects and that's why and I'll I know you I can

(1:07:52) tell you've got to tell on when I've gone on too long so I'll finish up which is that's why we're doubling our proposal is to double the indigenous loan guarantee program to $10 billion what does that actually mean it means an ability for them to invest equity in those projects partners thank you my my tell is my clock and my clock is at zero so that's how it goes mr blade do you still oppose pipeline construction in Quebec even though a majority of Quebecers now apparently say they support it we will know about that when

(1:08:21) we have held the debate about that which has not begun yet we are just bigoting it first we are hearing very creative numbers and we are being fed nonsense and we will be back to it in a few minutes but energy trade commerce is from south to north or north to south and it's true in Quebec also in a little more than three years Donald Trump won't be in office and there will be not one more pipeline having build been built once we get there so let's be serious responsible and we will be back with the numbers we don't want to pay in Quebec

(1:09:06) for such monstrosities which will provide us with nothing we now move to open debate and you all will get a chance or have had a chance to get the first shot at this bishop Blanche it is your turn to get the first shot canada has a substantial supply of critical minerals which are in high demand are you in favor of allowing these minerals to be mined of course it has to be done properly quebec has probably the most important clean phosfat reserves in North America in Sagy Lena it is very important it has to be exploited this is

(1:09:44) the best way to use Paul Sagny as an infrastructure that we need we have licham everybody needs licham transportation has to be taken from oil to clean energy this is what we want to be working on it is part of the specificities uh specifics of Quebec economy so we are in favor of that but we don't want to pay for the 30 billions of dollars which have been spent on oil and gas by the Liberals last year it's 7 billions of dollars from Quebec we don't want to pay for the 40 billions of dollars which have been spent by the

(1:10:22) Liberals on Trans Mountain it's n billions of dollars from Quebec those are 16 billions of dollars of which not $1 has been spent in Quebec to develop a lot more power and uh wealth for Quebecers with our own money we need to let the leader of the Liberals respond uh well actually I was going to pick up on the enormous opportunity that exists in Quebec exists in Ontario exists in the north of Canada really exists across this great nation in terms of critical metals and minerals we are one of have one of the biggest resources in this

(1:10:59) country and this is it's not just enormous economic opportunity it is a strategic opportunity for Canada so we have to make a decision not just to develop it but how do we develop it and who are our partners for it do we become more dependent on the United States which is what they want by the way President Trump this week said you might put a tax on critical metals and minerals just showing again if I may if I may and so the discussions if I may if I may finish let him finish let me finish so the opportunity includes in Europe and

(1:11:34) includes in Asia as our partners last point in order to get it done in order to get it done we'll put in place a first and last mile fund so these projects are connected to road and rail so they can go quickly to market and we will have all of the other fasttracking measures in place that I talked about earlier in terms of capital timing approvals so that we can move quickly we can be stronger at home better ways we should absolutely uh take advantage of the fact that we've got incredible amounts of critical minerals in our

(1:12:03) country and the way we do that is with any energy project or any project of this nature make sure it's got the local community buyin it creates good jobs in communities make sure we are meeting all our environmental needs and we work with indigenous partnership and so I absolutely agree with that i want to build on something Mr blanche mentioned about the investments that this country has made uh what I found very troubling is that the past number of years the Liberal government record is one where we have spent the most subsidies

(1:12:32) compared to any other country in the G7 on subsidizing oil and gas these are highly profitable companies i think that's the wrong thing to do we fought against it again and again and the Liberals have continued to do it and so my question really to Mr carney is will you commit to ending oil and gas subsidies we should be using that to invest in people not giving it to highly profitable oil and gas companies we talked I I promise Mr paul the next we'll come back and get that question answered mr pol well Mr carney you point

(1:13:02) out that Donald Trump has a wrongheaded idea of putting a tax on our minds and our industry and that is wrong but so do you you want to apply a massive industrial carbon tax on Canadian mines canadian steel mills Canadian aluminum plants you want to let Canadian oil and gas and your idea is to double the tax that Trump is applying by hitting them a second time this will do nothing for the environment it will actually ship our jobs south of the border plan is include as much as Trump wants my plan is to bring that production home here to

(1:13:41) Canada for example I will give a tax credit to lowe emmitting Canadian industry like Quebec's aluminum for example or British Columbia's natural gas so that we not only bring home the production but we do it below global average levels of emissions so that we actually help the environment while bringing home the jobs for our people at the same time that is that is a sensible pragmatic approach that puts us in charge of our economic destiny so we can stand up to the Americans from a position of strength for a change mr

(1:14:15) hang on i I I want to get m I want to give you a chance to speak to Mr singh's criticism about oil and gas subsidies and Mr polyv's criticism about the industrial carbon tax okay i'm going to make I'm going to make three points i'll make four if you want me to respond to that but I want to make three um the first is that um we answered I answered this question last night but I think the puck had already dropped in the Canadians game so not everyone heard it yes end oil and gas subsidies that's that's why you need new secondly

(1:14:42) secondly I would have done it independently secondly recognizing that the biggest component of that was the cost of building keystone keystone which is the pipeline which has helped to increase oil and gas export or oil exports rather by 50% in this country um that is an asset of the people of Canada we own it uh the question what to do it so it's not a subsidy that has disappeared it's actually an asset of Canada let me third point though in terms of where the oil and gas industry particularly the oil industry needs

(1:15:10) wants to and needs to go which is to become low carbon low carbon in the production and transportation of oil one of the big projects we need to move forward with is carbon capture and storage the pathways project so that we have oil and gas that is competitive not just today 10 years from now and 20 years from now as the world uses less we want to have more market share we need to do that my government my government will move that but by definition a subsidy isn't when we buy a pipeline i'm talking about subsidies that go to oil

(1:15:40) and gas companies dependent separate from the country oil and gas companies that's what I'm talking about the figure you quoted last night uh included the cost of the pipeline do you want to address billions of dollars are spending we got to stop spending sorry can we can we get you to address his point about the industrial carbon tax how much will the industrial carbon tax add to the price of a car so the first thing I want to say is we have I'm going to address the broader point uh well broader point is the entire absence of a climate plan

(1:16:04) uh from Mr polyad uh which by the way is going to put our industry and our country at a disadvantage as we're looking for new trading partners guess what most people want to deepen our partnership in Europe in Asia those countries care about whether or not you've made progress second thing is we're designing a program so that the big polluters pay Canadians at home for making responsible climate choices for retrofitting their home getting their emissions down or improving otherwise and that is smart climate policy it's

(1:16:38) better for the big polluters and it's better for Canadians pier Pol Mr carney didn't answer my question and I asked "How much would the an industrial carbon tax on Canadian steel add to the price of a car?" And he won't answer because he knows that it will be very expensive because there's lots of steel in cars now well Mr carney has temporarily but do you know the answer hidden in the car he's just throwing out thousands of dollars thousands of dollars when you when you actually do know the answer to when you add taxes to

(1:17:10) steel you raise the price of everything that uses steel when you add everything tax to say the price when you add when you add when you add the carbon tax onto the price of for example fertilizer you increase the price of food so while Mr carney has temporarily hidden the Liberal carbon tax at the pumps while keeping the tax fully in law and planning to raise it after the election he's also going after attacks on our industry that will ultimately be passed on to you after a lost Liberal decade of rising costs we cannot afford a fourth

(1:17:45) Liberal term we need a new government that will fully ax the carbon tax increase the jobs that we have here in Canada and bring down your cost of living we got just a little over 3 minutes left in this segment so Mr singh I want to ask you do you think climate change is still a priority from Canadians you're out there what are you hearing absolutely you speak to any any young person and they think you know we're seeing climate crisis in front of us happening right now you speak to seniors who say you know we used to be

(1:18:12) able to live in our homes without air conditioning and now we're seeing heat crises in communities that never had uh worries about extreme weather we're seeing flooding we're seeing forest fires like never before we are living in a climate crisis so Canadians are absolutely worried about it as soon as we come into a summer we start seeing those forest fires again it's top of mind for Canadians because they're living it they're seeing it and I want those Canadians to know Mr carney is not going to end those fossil fu subsidies

(1:18:38) unless I'm there to fight back mr pv wants to let big polluters pollute as much as they want poison our beautiful land our water and air he wants to let them dump into our oceans i'm going to fight back and defend our environment mu blanche on the issue of whether or not people still care about climate change i think people should be kept very informed about climate change because we are in a very strange denial situation about climate change which still exists and is very expensive and I'm sorry to crash your party guys but you are

(1:19:10) telling fairy tales clean oil and gas is a fairy tale large scales carbon sequ se sequestration sorry I'm French is a fairy tale it does not exist if Alberta wanted to exploit oil and gas and it were not a matter of pollution I wouldn't mind at all that's their business our own powerhouse in terms of energy in Quebec is clean energy we are the best place in the world to achieve that market is the northeastern part democrat part of United States we want to keep our money to create wealth in Quebec for Quebecers let me be different

(1:19:57) because we can afford to let me give I want to I will get to you because I said I would but you've taken a couple of hits here and I want to give you a chance to respond to some of the things the people on this side of the stage have said thank you well uh first of all we do support protecting the environment banning we want to ban the dumping of raw sewage into our waters we want to hold in uh large corporations to high environmental standards to protect our water and air but we cannot do that by raising taxes and sending jobs overseas

(1:20:27) as Mr carney is proposing to do that has been the approach of the last 10 years of the Liberal government what the biggest companies that ma that develop our resources say is that we need to repeal the liberal anti-development law C69 a law Mr carney wants to keep in place they say we need to repeal the industrial carbon tax and get rid of the liberal energy cap we need six months approvals in order to get our to take back energy security and energy sovereignty we can summarize that last word to Mr carneg thank you

(1:21:01) very much you know I I was born in Fort Smith in the Northwest Territories just north of what the oil sands became when I was born and when I was growing up in Edmonton early days it was a fairy tale quote unquote but you know what happened canadian ingenuity Canadian engineers Canadian governments both the federal government and the Alberta government got together and created converted this the worst pollution if I may if I may wor 10 more seconds to finish please let him finish his point that's the opportunity we have that's the

(1:21:31) opportunity we have in carbon capture that's the opportunity we have in small modular reactors that's the opportunity we have in hydrogen beyond this country can be a clean energy superpower my government will help deliver it and that is time for this segment gentlemen let us go to our final theme which is called leading in a crisis [Music] canadians know how to weather a storm canadians know how to get through a difficult time if at the end of the day we end up with the balance of power Quebec is safer than it could be in any

(1:22:01) other scenario now is not a time for weakness now is the time to take back control canadians are always ready when someone else drops the gloves okay leading in a crisis is a pretty broad theme that allows us to explore many different avenues here so let's get to it mr carney you get the first question this time we haven't balanced a budget in this country in 17 years and 10 of those years were under your party you have pledged to get us to a balanced budget in three years question is how so um let me let me put this in the context

(1:22:35) of leading in a crisis which is in a crisis you got to plan for the worse worse is that the US actually does want to take us over secondly you got to have a plan um plan to build and that include a fiscal plan and I will get to that in a second the third thing is you need to respond in a crisis with overwhelming force you need to think big you need to move rapidly the things we've been discussing today are a subset of what we can and should do as a nation and we can deliver and government can play a role but its role has to be catalytic and so

(1:23:06) our approach is that we will slow the rate of spending it's been growing at 9% a year operational spending program spending away from transfers away from transfers individual 9% a year we'll slow that to 2% we will focus on a small amount of capital spending by the federal government in order to drive enormous private investment up to half a trillion dollars by 5 years thank you Mr carney uh Ukraine surely constitutes a crisis leading in a time of crisis mr pv question for you if the United States withholds support from Ukraine going

(1:23:42) forward do you believe Canada should commit more to assist i believe we should continue to support Ukraine uh our party supported donating missiles that the Canadian military was decommissioning we supported funds and other armaments to back the Ukrainians in the defense of their sovereignty we also need to rebuild our own Canadian military because the Russians want to make incursions into our waters uh we'll be buying four massive Arctic arc ice breakers i'll be opening the first Arctic base since the Cold War in Canada

(1:24:18) CFB Callowit we're going to double the size of the Arctic Rangers and fill the vacancies in our Canadian armed forces we need a change to rebuild our military which has been so disintegrated under the the cuts and the mismanagement of the last 10 years but we can have a change because we have the best soldiers sailors and airmen in the world and they will have full backing for my government if you give me the honor of becoming prime minister i may come back to that one in the open forum because I'm not sure we got an answer about Ukraine on

(1:24:49) that one but okay well going on Mr bl the answer was yes we'll get more details perhaps as we go forward mr given the US trade war should any talk of a referendum on Quebec independence be put on pause that one is easy it will happen only after the negotiation is over and that's a good thing I want to say I support the idea we must help Ukraine but we also must help the civilians of Gaza and we must destroy Hamas which is a terrorist organization you know what I don't want to be the leader of Canada you will understand that I don't want to be prime

(1:25:29) minister but I can offer to be a partner a responsible partner a collaborative partner if Quebec is respected in its differences in its aluminum industry and lumberwood industry and culture and French language and values of secularity of the state which is the price to be paid in order to have real equality then if we are respected we will be a partner and then even Canada will be stronger in its negotiation against Donald Trump this is what I am offering respect us mr singh I watched last night's debate you seemed very

(1:26:10) eager to talk about healthcare so let's talk a little more healthcare right now you have made many promises on healthcare if a province says to you "We'll take your money for healthare but not your conditions on how to spend it," what do you do we've got to negotiate we can't be giving away money without clear conditions uh we're in a healthcare crisis right now and a crisis that is hurting people across this country people are waiting desperately in line in emergency rooms for hours and hours seniors are waiting for years and years

(1:26:45) to get the care that they need for surgeries that would remove pain or help them deal with mobility issues we're in a serious crisis healthcare workers are burnt out they are overstretched and what we're seeing is more and more privatization and that is hurting our public universal healthcare system so we've got to fight back against it we cannot allow our public money to go to a for-profit private clinic lining the pockets of a rich CEO or investors instead of going towards care we need to make sure that we are investing in

(1:27:16) solutions where care gets to people not profiting those at the very top and so that's my commitment i'm going to fight to make sure we defend our healthcare against the threats of Americanization and privatization okay we now go to open forum debate and perhaps Mr pv you get the first word here this might be a good time to put a little more flesh on the bone of what you think Canada could do for Ukraine if the US backs out yes and what I my answer is that we should continue to support Ukraine we don't need to follow the Americans in

(1:27:42) everything they do when they're wrong then we will stand on our own and with other allies and with respect to Ukraine that in of course includes support with intelligence equipment uh armaments but it also includes defunding Putin right now Vladimir Putin has a monopoly on the European energy market because frankly the Liberals blocked exports of Canadian natural gas off the Atlantic coast they blocked no multiple projects i would rapidly approve those projects on national security grounds so that we can we can actually ship Canadian natural

(1:28:18) gas over to Europe break European dependence on Putin defund the war and turn dollars for dictators back into paychecks for our people mr carer you wanted to add well I I want to go to the situation in Ukraine because it's uh very important we've been a steadfast Canada has been a steadfast ally and Canadians have stepped up welcoming Ukrainians into their homes um and supporting them in other ways um you know in my first month as prime minister uh we joined the coalition of the willing uh to support Ukraine as the US stepped back so led by

(1:28:53) France uh the United Kingdom uh with Ukraine number European nations Australia ourselves New Zealand um that's an example of how the new world is going to be Canada participating in these areas and helping it also means open trade Mr polyv voted against free trade agreement with Ukraine Ukraine it means aid for Ukraine Mr polyv wants to cut foreign aid including for Ukraine or not he didn't mention support for aid for Ukraine we have to stand by them we have to be there and this government has mr singh New Democrats absolutely

(1:29:25) support standing with Ukraine and will continue to do that um but I appreciate the opportunity in talking about leadership in crisis talk about many of the crises that we're up against and one of the crises we're up against in our country uh with the threat of Donald Trump with the threat of the trade war and with the privatization and Americanization of our health care system is the health care system and what we have learned today you know Mr carney mentioned slowing operation spending that's a cut to services he

(1:29:52) said his plan he has a plan to balance the operating budget within three years that's going to require massive cuts to spending we calculated that at $43 billion in cuts in fact Rosemary Barton when he was on the show on February 16th he said he would cut spending he said it would be in operations he defined it as transfers in health and finally longtime liberal and former House Leader Karina Gould said that Mr carney's plans would mean massive cuts that's the only way to achieve it so Mr carney do you think it

(1:30:22) is leadership to cut health care at a time when it is in crisis i think it is wrong we can't do that it's we will not cut transfers for healthcare we will not cut health care spending full stop we'll have detail if I may who do we believe mr carney today or the one he spoke at on Rosemary Barton show on February 16 the one that repeated again that he would cut spending who do we believe if I may uh consistently said we'll preserve all transfers to the provinces including the increases we will preserve all the transfers to individuals include

(1:30:53) I I won't detail them all but there so we're looking at addressing an operational spend which is about $150 billion dollars um we will address that we will make it more efficient and we will do it in three years and we'll balance that budget mr i am 6 minutes behind Mr carney so I will speak a little bit longer first I will support any initiative which will which will bring Canada aligned with Europe and NATO in order to be stronger and facing new threats i believe that 2% won't be enough i'm not more in favor of war than

(1:31:28) anybody else but we have responsibilities and our main ally is removing himself from the stage so we have to step up we have to do our part i want to go somewhere else entirely however I want to ask Mr carney if we are speaking about leadership here if Quebec and Canada were to say you are not being given a majority government there will be more conservatives than you would like maybe more New Democrats than you would like and more people from the block than you would like will you accept because you don't seem to very to

(1:32:07) be very eager about that to deal with people which basically are more experienced than you are as legitimate as you are and would be more representative altogether than you would be being alone in your little kingdom and I want also to to propose to you all guys that one week after the election one week after the election we all meet whatever the results and we start dealing with this crisis together because this is what people either they are from Alberta or Quebec or wherever this is what people expect from us mr

(1:32:46) curry is that something you could get behind i I look forward to meeting with uh everyone you're welcome to come Steve if you'd like um week after but in all ser but I'll come but I'm coming I'm coming I will I come to the core yeah okay I'll come to the core look uh in a crisis yes you need a team uh and you need to bring uh the country along with you so what I did in the first week was to bring the premers together meet with all the indigenous leaders uh and move forward in that context now the question is who's going to lead out of

(1:33:31) this whoever leads out of this if I may Mr blanche whoever whoever mess Thank you whoever is going to lead out of this is going to need to work with all the provinces work with Labor work with indigenous leaders work with all Canadians to bring them forward in a united front and one of and if make this last point one of the things that has happened which is a credit to those people at home is that Canadians are coming together and it's our responsibility to meet the strength of Canadian unity i have one small point to

(1:34:05) make you will be elected if you are elected in the parliament where there are other leaders i don't know if he called you or Mr i don't know if he called you but before yesterday you have not spoken to me once even if I proposed it so many times but you say I speak to provinces leaders you're not elected in provinces you are in a parliament where people are to make decisions which might not always suit you but this is democracy too much about I'm going to jump in here because I'm noticing what the clock is saying and you brought up

(1:34:39) Gaza earlier and I think our audience would be interested in hearing your views on the other major international crisis uh facing the world i just want to get before we get that just to finish up on the healthcare I just want to speak to healthcare workers right now who are deeply worried about the status of our healthare system to Canadians who believe and love our universal public healthare system to patients who are stressed out if you're worried about wish Mr carney to believe the one today or the one who spoke on previous shows

(1:35:06) and said he would cut vote for New Democrats and we will fight to defend our healthare like to hear what you have to say about this question and we have less than 5 minutes for it here what role should Canada play in the other major international crisis in this world in the Middle East and the war in Gaza pier PV would you start us off on that what role can Canada play well first of all we must condemn Hamas and more importantly the terror sponsors in Thran who initiated the attacks the horrific attacks of October 7th we need

(1:35:40) to to defeat the terrorists so that all the peoples of the world can live in peace and defend the right of yes Palestinians to have their own lives free from the oppression of Hamas dictators and Iranian intervention while Israel has the ability to live in freedom and peace but I also want to say we need to get back to the Canadian tradition which is that when people come to this country they leave foreign conflicts behind the rampaging riots targeting Jewish communities is utterly unacceptable and it points to the

(1:36:12) growing chaos that we see in our streets after 10 years of incredibly irresponsible liberal policies of weak borders of dividing people into groups of saying one thing to one uh group and the opposite to another dividing and conquering we must end that division and unite our people so that everyone feels safe and that when we come here we put our foreign conflicts behind and we stand people come from countries from around the world and they care deeply about where they come from and they should be able to do so that's a part of

(1:36:45) being in our country to have that freedom your treatment of Palestinians has been frankly disgusting your treatment of people who provide care and service or people in Gaza has been disgusting on top of that people in Israel and in Palestine deserve to live in peace and security and Mr carney to date you've not acknowledged that what's going on in Gaza is now clearly become a genocide it's important to call things out as they are and you've not done that mr carney we need to work to go to your question we need to work with our

(1:37:12) international partners maximum pressure maximum encouragement for an immediate ceasefire that's the first thing encourage the return of all of the hostages resumption of humanitarian aid my government put in place hund00 million dollars of humanitarian aid which is ready uh to go with respect to where this ultimately goes yes two-state solution but it has to be a viable and free Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with the state of Israel i will underscore one other thing mr polyv rightly mentioned

(1:37:45) Iran the Iranian sponsors in this region we have to be cleareyed about the fundamental risks uh of Iran and do everything with our international partners to check it and turn it mr blanche if we are to work together we will have to be consistent the Jewish community in Quebec and Canada is harassed by a very little minority of radical Islamists and we don't do so we don't do so much the law in Canada says that somebody may invite people to be violent to propose genocide against another people if they can be hidden behind a

(1:38:31) religious motivation they are in agreement with that they are in agreement with that they are in agreement with that and we say it is a crime to invite people to violence and killing other people and this is what is being done very often in Canada in Quebec with the approval of the criminal code of Canada and we are saying this has to be changed we have to change what we do before we want people elsewhere to change what they do last minute in the segment Bishop Polyf this is about crisis and leadership and one crisis we have is in

(1:39:08) immigration because of the this Liberal government's commitment to a radical policy called the Century Initiative which seeks to bring our population up to 100 million people they have allowed massive overcrowding in our communities that has caused housing shortages job shortages blame immigration for the fault of your government and if I could I didn't interrupt you i did not interrupt i did not interrupt you don't blame I do not blame let Let him finish i I do not blame immigrants i blame the Liberal government which brought this

(1:39:38) policy on and Mr carney wants to continue with the Century Initiative this is crazy we have to get back to normal levels of immigration get rid of the fraud in the temporary immigration system and ensure that the people who come here can be arrive in numbers that we can house employ and care for that's how it always was and that's how we're going to restore thank you Mr polyv that is our time for this segment uh those are our five themes but we are not done yet we are entering the next section of our debate tonight what we're calling

(1:40:12) the leader choice something a little bit different each of you will get the chance to ask a question any question of any other leader you can then debate the answer and each one on one will last for three minutes so Mr singh you have the first option here who do you want to ask your question of mr carney go for it mr carney as chair of Brookville Investments your company is one of the biggest tax dodgers in Canada as chair you approved decisions where Brookville Investments bought up affordable homes kicked out the tenants and jacked up the

(1:40:44) rates as prime minister one of the first things you did was a tax cut that helped out mostly millionaires and you have a plan to cut services for people now I expect that of Mr pierre Polyv and the Conservatives that's very much a conservative plan but my concern is that doesn't sound like what people want for a liberal leader so my question to you is Mr carney whose side are you really on uh thank you thank you very much for that question Mr singh uh I'm on the side of Canadians i'm in this for Canadians i work for Canadians

(1:41:18) um but you're show that though no I look well I have a track record of public service uh for this country uh go back to something uh Mr mr blanche referenced earlier uh which is have I resolved any crisis uh we're in Quebec uh if you ask anyone in the finance industry if you ask anyone in government in Quebec in 2008 uh they'll know that I resolved the biggest crisis uh in Quebec yeah you won't have fun good but million but in fairness with Mr this is for these two uh yes I uh I have had a long career in the private sector i'm proud of that

(1:41:56) career i've always acted uh with integrity um and it brings me uh with experience that I can apply question moment of crisis and you certainly have served the country but the problem is who have you served you've served to benefit those at the very top you jacked up the price of homes for people living in affordable homes as a strategic decision you dodged taxes and then your decisions as prime minister show you're not prioritizing people but you're prioritizing big business billionaires so the uh what what have we done uh as a

(1:42:28) government directly so we've gone directly to workers using all of our proceeds from uh the tariffs committing all of them for workers the workers most affected individ unlike others who use them uh use them to uh to cut taxes um we uh are focused on EI is not high enough though you have to accept that right now there will be additional programs i I am fully confident that the next government whatever government is formed or certainly if I'm in the next government we will make additional programs well I can't I you couldn't or

(1:43:02) you couldn't uh given that we're in an election posed may I May I make a a core point here if I may which is that when you think about workers here today and people watching at home particularly younger people there is an enormous opportunity in the trades in the skilled trades we are going to build this country in a way that has not been seen before we are literally talking about hundreds of thousands not jobs but careers in the trad and that's why we're investing in apprenticeships and mid-career but I think people are

(1:43:28) worried Mr if new Democrats aren't there to force liberals to make sure they remember about people they will forget gentlemen that is time thank you for that mr blanche you have the next question to whom would you like to put it mr carney you avoided quite uh quite uh I would say skillfully the questions of Mr uh Mr uh Singh but first let me correct something in 2008 not so much by your decision 10 billions of dollars were given to car industry in Ontario while 60 millions not billions of dollars were uh lent to lumberwood

(1:44:11) throughout the whole of Canada i don't believe that's the right way to manage a crisis since you did not recoup the money from the car industry then you have been the manager of Brookfield it's supposed to be a green investment fund but we now know that 50% of the investments of Brookfield is in fossil fuel it's not so green you seem to want to support oil and gas industry that's interesting you want to support prefab housing and uh it's also in the investments of uh Brookfield but not in Canada you want to support uh nuclear power smaller uh

(1:45:01) reactors which are more dangerous by the way and uh Brookfield has investments in Westinghouse uh you have hidden the money of Brookfield in Bermuda and Kaiman Island 30 billions of dollars billions of dollars lost for Canada you are having your taxes being paid by families workers elders in Canada and Quebec instead of paying your own taxes so I want to know will you before the election reveal all the details of your assets as Mr uh Mr mr singh has done as Mr pv has done and as I have done we have a right to let him answer under

(1:45:42) those circumstances let's let him answer uh well the first thing is um I want to say a word about uh I'll say a word about Brookfield um you know this is a Canadian success story it is the largest infrastructure investor and developer in the world it is one of the largest if not the largest developer of renewable power in the world and who benefits from that that's Canadian pensioners that's Quebec pensioners that is teachers that firefighters it is um a a series of people including individuals including individuals on this stage benefit from

(1:46:19) that now always acted with integrity served the shareholders of Brookfield when I was there i have left that I have followed all the rules well in advance i have followed all the rules well in advance reveal your assets like we all did and working for the people of Canada what do you own why don't you tell Canadians and Quebecers what you own we're moving on to Mr polyv now who has his opportunity to ask the question of whomever he'd like here and that will be Mr carney but if I could begin by starting by setting the stage the choice

(1:46:55) in this election is after a lost liberal decade of rising cost and crime and a falling economy under America's thumb do we want to elect them to a fourth term or do we want to change change so that you can afford food and homes change so that you can be safe on your street and your change so that your paycheck grows faster than your cost of living change with a new conservative government because Mr carney has not changed mr carney in 2020 it was recorded you began advising Justin Trudeau it's still on the Liberal Party website today that you

(1:47:31) are Justin Trudeau's economic adviser they might want to update your website on that in on June 3rd of 2021 you said that inflation would be a sign of economic progress and you advised governments including Justin Trudeau's your liberal government to print money which led to the worst inflation crisis in a generation now that means that mothers went to bed with empty fridges and empty bank accounts worried how they'd feed their kids that seniors worried they'd be evicted from their homes that young people believe they'd never be able to

(1:48:13) to own a home in the first place now in retrospect that you look back on the liberal decisions that you advised Justin Trudeau to take will you apologize to the many people who suffered as a result of the inflationary policies that you advised Justin Trudeau to implement you know it's I said earlier but I'm going to say it again i know you want to be running against Justin Trudeau justin Trudeau isn't here are you denying his economic adviser i I did not provide any of that advice i did not provide any of that

(1:48:50) advice on the Liberal Party website are are you accusing your Liberal Party of of lying about your role because it says today you can go to the Liberal Party website now and it says that you are Justin Trudeau's economic advisor the way you judge the way you judge someone in my view is how they act what they do when they have responsibility twice I was a central bank governor and in both ca if I if I may if I may in both cases when I was responsible infl for inflation inflation was less than 2% i'll add that when I was here

(1:49:20) responsible for the Bank of Canada inflation was less than 2% our dollar was at par that is the kind of success that I can deliver for this country coming out of this crisis and you were you were the advisor Justin Trudeau that gave us the worst inflation that we have had in a generation because the policy implemented and those of the MPs that are still in your ministry to the fellow Canadians which the last 10 years has been about the Liberals the next 10 years should be about you and that's time mr carney good news is the next

(1:49:57) question is yours well I'm going to ask myself a question uh actually I'm going to ask a question which um has been troubling me um and uh it's troubling me because you know we are in a uh a very dangerous and divided world who is it to i'm going to ask a question of Mr polyf um we're in a dangerous and divided world we talked earlier about the challenges in the Middle East the threats from Iran uh threats from Russia Russia's aggression in Ukraine uh we have uh the threats from China which I raised um we have the United States which is

(1:50:37) fundamentally changing its security relationships its commercial relationships we have all this and in the context of that every one on the stage Mr blahe Mr saying myself we have our top secret security clearance we have our top secret security clearance i got mine within 3 weeks it wasn't hard uh but I felt it was important that I had it so I could be in a position to be informed about that dangerous world and take decisions at and Mr polyv it is now 950 days if my numbers are right since you've had the opportunity to get your

(1:51:14) top top secret security clearance and you've refused why well first of all I have got my security clearance when I was a minister i got top secret clearance at the time so there's no problem getting that but when the government made this recent offer they said that if I got the secret security clearance briefings that I would be gagged under the security law and I could be prosecuted if I spoke freely about matters of foreign interference now given that Canada has experienced Chinese interference by by Beijing the government of China in two

(1:51:52) consecutive elections I needed to do my job to speak freely without fear of prosecution and that was not something I would be allowed to do even Thomas Mulair the former leader of the NDP said that when he was the leader of the of the opposition he never would have accepted the kind of gag order that your government and Mr trudeau's government was attempting to impose on me and it's good that I was I'd made that decision because it has allowed me to speak freely about things like the case where one of your candidates sir actually said

(1:52:22) that he wanted to send a political opponent to China under a bounty threatening his life or imprisonment and you refused to get rid of him now it might have something to do with the fact that you went to China not long ago to get a4 billion dollar loan for your company but the reality it is you refused to stand up for a Canadian who was being threatened by a foreign government and I was able to speak freely on that matter because I refused the gag order that the Liberal government attempted let him respond well I you know there's a couple

(1:52:54) interesting things i you I think people at home have seen a you know robust debate here and it's been a robust campaign and it has not stopped Mr blah or Mr singh at times during his campaign by making challenges with respect to these issues so one can address it i will observe as someone with a top secret security clearance that China is not the only country that is accused of foreign interference and and gentlemen that is time segment that's our time now closing statements are still a few minutes down the road so we have a

(1:53:24) little bit of time for some quick hit Q&As's for each of you right now short questions 45 seconds please on the answers and we're going to go left to right as I look at you right now mr polyv you get the first question to the best of my knowledge you have not offered a hard timeline as the other parties have to meet Canada's NATO commitment of 2% spending on defense when would you hit that target my aim will be to 2030 that said when we re renegotiate our trade deal with the US I know it's their priority to see us

(1:53:56) increase our military budget one of the things I will say to the Americans is the more free trade tariffree free free trade we have the faster we can rebuild our military in Canada and reassert our sovereignty and we will use that money to have heavy ice breakers in the north Poseidon aircraft fighter jets a new base in the north double the Arctic Rangers fill the vacancies in the armed forces and rebuild the warrior spirit that characterized our military since the birth of our country we will rebuild our forces and we will stand behind our

(1:54:32) veterans thank you Mr pv mr carney your question you have cut both the consumer carbon tax and the capital gains tax increase that you inherited from your predecessor is that an admission that the Liberals made life less affordable for Canadians i think the uh let me give you the rationale behind both of those changes um first with respect to the consumer carbon tax um in effect it become too divisive uh for Canadians um Canadians uh received rebates uh on the whole they received more than the tax actually was uh but some uh had

(1:55:09) represented um that it was a tax without a rebate um it became divisive it didn't serve its purpose it made a relatively modest contribution to overall climate goals i got rid of it first act made Canadians whole secondly but with respect to the capital gains taxes come up again i'll be quick this is a fundamental issue we need to build this country builders innovators entrepreneurs need to be rewarded that's why I brought it back and that's time thank you mr singh would you change the existing cap on immigration i've said

(1:55:38) that the level of immigration first of all we need immigration it's fundamentally important to our country and uh we speak to any small business owner you speak to people here in Quebec you speak to farmers it's fundamentally important couple things though we know we need to be able to set the amount of folks that we welcome into our country at a level that it meets our needs so I would ensure that we've got an expert panel that makes that determination based on our economic needs uh we also know that uh we should we should be very

(1:56:06) clear that the lack of investment from Liberals and Conservatives resulted in the fact that we have a shortage in housing housing that's something that we've got to uh fix i should also point out um that that if you were worried about the cuts being proposed by Liberals and Conservatives vote for New Democrats we'll fight back to protect uh Canadians and make sure that we've got the right immigration levels thank you Mr singh that's time mr no Quebec I believe is now the only province with a carbon tax do you think that's fair it's

(1:56:32) not entirely true it's not a tax what Quebec has is a system by which we invite big emitter big emission companies i don't know how to translate that uh to reduce their emissions if they do not then they have to pay it goes into a fund which is invested then in reducing emissions our partner is California which makes this a huge deal about reducing emissions this is what we do this is to be compared to what Europe does and by the way Europe would impose tariffs on Canadian oil if it ever got there uh we're quite proud of that and

(1:57:13) we have to be responsible because this is much less expensive than climate that's time we're going to do another set of quick hits here left to right again and 30 seconds this time mupolv you've previously promised to defund the CBC as one of your very first acts as prime minister is that still the plan yes CBC will continue to operate as a self-funded Canadian-owned and controlled nonforprofit uh that raises money like other media organizations through sponsorships subscriptions advertising licensing fees and countless other things that will

(1:57:49) ensure Canadians who still want to listen and and view its content will be able to do so uh and at the same time uh we'll allow freedom of the press so that everybody has their voice heard and they can make their own decisions thank you Mr carney the next question to you 30 seconds would you remove some of Canada's legal tax avoidance loopholes that companies that you have worked for have used um look I think that what we need to do is undertake a comprehensive review of our corporate tax system um and do that

(1:58:22) on the basis of the right principles uh we've got to have fairness transparency sustainability and competitiveness so we need a tax system the corporate tax system including being part of a international minimum corporate tax through the OECD and that is time mr singh the question for you is if you hold the balance of power after this election is over what would your price be to support another party we've laid out our priorities we want to make sure we bring down the cost of groceries build homes that people can afford i can

(1:58:57) also tell you that we would defend CBC unlike Mr polyv who wants to cut it and we would close tax loopholes and offshore tax havens even though Mr carney didn't respond to that and selling stocks and shares to make profits and then having less taxes on that is not hard work and so those aren't the job creators the people who are job creators are the hardworking men and women that contribute to our economy thank you Mr singh mr blowce kind of the same question if you hold the balance of power in the next minority parliament if

(1:59:24) it is that what would be the price of your support respect for Quebec that's quite easy i don't want to go against what Canada wants to do for itself but I don't want Canada to impose an economic vision or a multiculturalist vision on Quebec which is different in terms of language and values and secularity and equality between people so I want to be a partner and if Quebec is respected Canada has nothing to fear from the block because we vote for what is good for Quebec it only has to be good for Quebec thank you Mr blanche now we have

(2:00:00) one last question for each of you we'll go right to left this time as I look at you bit of an offbeat question mr blanche what is your biggest regret during this campaign that's a very good question i'm not very fond of regrets I would say but we should have started sooner to see that we had to create the environment for a deal in which Quebec and Canada would be one bigger than the other but partners to be stronger in front of Mr trump and showing that maybe nobody here is the partner to let go alone without

(2:00:37) being uh surveyed or controlled or supervised by a Quebec voice thank you Mr blanche same question mr singh your biggest regret of this campaign not being able to meet as many people as I would love to have it's a short campaign and so I can't get to as many communities that I wanted to i I think one of the honors of my job is to be able to meet people and to hear their stories and then to take their stories and concerns and bring them to Ottawa and to fight for those people and so I want you to know even I haven't made it

(2:01:03) to your community I'm going to fight like hell to make sure that you are you're represented that we never let any government cut our healthcare that we defend the values that we care so deeply about we make my life more affordable uh that's my commitment to you even if I didn't get to see you that's my commitment thank you Mr singh mr carney same question biggest regret of the campaign i'm I'm I'm to be honest it was the it's the same answer this is an astonishing country it is an amazing country and the opportunity the and the

(2:01:31) responsibility that comes with it of being with Canadians hearing their stories their challenges drawing strength and ideas from them and being working to be part of the solution is the greatest honor of my life but the regret is that it is also a big country and it is a short period of time mr pol last word to you i actually agree with these two gentlemen um I had a rule that at all my rallies even when they're really big I would stand in front of a flag and greet every single person and hear their stories and learn their

(2:02:08) struggles and that was always touching to me that they would put their faith in me or in any of us but we've been in such a rush because we have to get off to the next event so we haven't been able to stop and do that and I want you to know out there I haven't forgot about you thank you thank you Mr polyv it is time now for closing statements and prior to the debate you drew lots as to which order we would go in and Mr singh you get the first word on a closing statement certainly thank you because you voted for New Democrats we were able to build

(2:02:40) this country that we love universal health care and pensions because you voted for us because you voted for New Democrats we were able to fight to bring in dental care pharmarmacare and child care because you voted for us because you supported us you have the power with your vote to send more New Democrats to Ottawa to continue that fight to make sure that no government cuts the things that we hold dear like our healthcare to ensure that we can do everything possible to make life more affordable by making it more affordable to buy your

(2:03:08) groceries and to get a home i'm asking for your support in this election so that I can continue to fight to defend the things that make Canada Canada the things that we hold dear the things that make us proud to be Canadian thank you Mr singh mr cardi we are facing the biggest crisis of our lifetimes donald Trump is trying to fundamentally change the world economy the trading system but really what he's trying to do to Canada he's trying to break us so the US can own us they want our land they want our resources they want our water they want

(2:03:43) our country we're all going to stand up against Donald Trump i'm ready i've managed crisis over the years i've built strong economies we will fight back with counter tariffs we will protect our workers and those businesses and we will build the strongest economy we will build Canada strong i'm asking for your support the honor of doing so thank you thank you Mr carney mr blanche for 260 years and a little bit more you have tried to have them become Canadians like all Canadians but to no avail we are different so let's be economic partners

(2:04:38) let's have a voice chosen by and for Quebecers an ally for Canadians as equals in front of Mr trump mr pv only in Canada could someone start where I began and get to this stage i was born to a single mother and adopted by school teachers who raised me to believe in the incredible Canadian promise that anyone who worked hard could do anything that that promise feels broken today many of you worried about paying your bills feeding your families or ever even owning a home you're worried your kids are in danger but I'm here to say

(2:05:21) it doesn't have to be this way with change we can restore the Canadian promise so that hard work gets you a beautiful house on a safe street under a proud flag we can do it with hope for a change gentlemen thank you for a very spirited debate tonight two quick points before we go number one one of you celebrated your 60th birthday yesterday on this stage secondly you'll notice we didn't have to change the time of this debate because the Leafs already clinched the Atlantic Division title and therefore we didn't

(2:05:59) need to move the debate to accommodate a hockey game i'm getting back at my colleague who was in this position last night and okay go Habs go that's fine uh with that we're done thank you leaders for being here tonight we are just 11 days from election day April 28th but there are many ways that you can cast your ballot starting tomorrow at advanced polls if you intend to vote by mail that deadline right and we hope you use it thank you so much for being with us tonight i'm Steve Pacin good night from Montreal

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